Transgender Debate with Liberal Dr. Nisha Verma Gynecologist
Rep Josh Hawley: Do you think that men can get pregnant?
Dr. Nisha Verma Gynecologist: I hesitated there because I wasn’t sure where the conversation was going or what the goal was. I mean, I do take care of patients with different (transgender) identities. I take care of many women. I take care of people with different (transgender) identities. So that’s where I paused. I think, yeah, I wasn’t sure where you were going with that.
Rep Josh Hawley: Well, the goal is just the truth. So can men get pregnant?
Dr. Nisha Verma Gynecologist: Again, the reason I paused there is I’m not really sure what the goal of the question is.
Rep Josh Hawley: The goal is just to establish a biological reality. You just said a moment ago that science and evidence should control, not politics. So let’s just test that proposition. Can men get pregnant?
Dr. Nisha Verma Gynecologist: I take care of people with many (transgender) identities, but I take care of many women that can get pregnant. I do take care of people that don’t identify as women.
Rep Hawley Reminds Dr. Nisha Verma About Her Testimony – Science and Evidence Should Control, not Politics
Rep Josh Hawley: Can men get pregnant? Again, as I’m saying— Let me just remind you what you testified to a moment ago. Science and evidence should control, not politics. So can men get pregnant?
Dr. Nisha Verma Gynecologist: I totally agree science and evidence should guide medicine.
Rep Josh Hawley: Do science and evidence tell us that men can get pregnant, biological men? Can they get pregnant?
Dr. Nisha Verma Gynecologist: I also think yes-no questions like this are a political tool.
Rep Josh Hawley: No, yes-no questions are about the truth, doctor. Let’s not make a mockery of this proceeding. This is about science and evidence, and I’m asking you.
Josh Hawley Brings up United States Supreme Court Arguments
You know, the United States Supreme Court just heard arguments yesterday at great length on this question. This is not a hypothetical question. This is not theoretical. It affects real people in their real lives. You’re here as an expert, called by the other side as an expert, and you’ve been telling us that you follow—right, you’re a doctor, and you follow the science and the evidence. So I just want to know, based on the science, can men get pregnant? That’s a yes-or-no question. It really is,
Rep Hawley Starts Questioning Dr. Nisha Verma as a Medical Professional
Dr. Nisha Verma Gynecologist: I think. I think you’re trying to reduce the complexity of—
Rep Josh Hawley: I’m not. I’m trying to get—it’s not complex. I’m trying to get to an answer, and I’m trying to test, frankly, your veracity as a medical professional and as a scientist. Can men get pregnant?
Dr. Nisha Verma Gynecologist: I think you’re also conflating male and female with—
Bringing up Biology in Argument
Rep Josh Hawley: This is extraordinary. No, I’m not conflating male and female. They’re two different things. There’s biological men, and there’s biological women. I want to know, can men get pregnant?
Dr. Nisha Verma Gynecologist: What you’re talking about is biological—
Rep Josh Hawley: You’re not going to answer my question.
Dr. Nisha Verma Gynecologist: You’re saying biological males—
Rep Josh Hawley: This isn’t hard, doctor. Can men get pregnant? Yes or no?
Dr. Nisha Verma Gynecologist: I would be more than happy to have a conversation with you that is not coming from a place of trying to be polarized and push—
